Hoekstra
Calls for Clearer FBI Training on Jihadists
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September 20, 2016
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Megyn Kelley: Joining us now, Pete Hoekstra, former Chairman of
the House Intelligence Committee and Senior Fellow at the Investigative
Project on Terrorism. Great to see you, sir. So, your thoughts on whether
this guys is likely linked to others who may have helped him in this
regard.
Pete Hoekstra: Well it's unclear as to whether he was linked to
others here in the United States. I think one of the real things we've got
to be taking a look at who he was linked to in Pakistan and in Afghanistan
and to do that we need strong relationships with the intelligence
communities in those two countries because they are the ones who are going
to have the eyes and ears into the Taliban, into al-Qaeda and into ISIS,
and they're the ones that, you know, can give us a tip that says 'hey we're
hearing from our sources. There's an American who is learning bomb-making
skills, he's been there for two weeks and he's heading back to the United
States in March.' That's the kind of information –
Kelley: Then he comes back, then he comes back and it's not like
he wasn't – he was questioned by customs and border patrol when he came
back over. He had been over there for a year at one point. And yet there is
no screening, and even if there was we've seen some of the screening: 'Are
you a terrorist?' That's helpful. So you can understand America's
frustration where they're like 'the guy wasn't [unintelligible] repeatedly,
more and more devout, he was becoming angry, he was openly talking about
hating American culture, his dad said he was a terrorist—okay I get that he
recanted—that doesn't happen to the average person, and they're saying 'we
love our FBI, but we have to hold them to some higher standards.
Hoekstra: Well what we also do know, Megyn is that in the last
number of years they – the FBI and other law enforcement agencies – they've
kind of become politically correct. Organizations that used to go in and
train the FBI and other local law enforcement about the things to look for
when you are trying to determine whether someone may have radical jihadist
tendencies. That training in many cases has been eliminated because it was
politically incorrect and uncomfortable and we don't want to be perceived
as targeting Muslims or, you know, folks from the Middle East or from
Pakistan of Afghanistan. These organizations—or this training has been
purged from the FBI.
Kelley: And so you've got a combination of, you know you and
General Hayden who of course he was running the NSA program where they were
allowed to listen in only on a phone call that was between an American and
a suspected terrorist. It's not just any American. And nine times out of
ten they weren't listening to anybody they were basically just collecting
so-called meta-data. Anyways that program, he's suggesting something like
it, something that will let us get more up into their business would be
helpful, and you're saying that we've disarmed in the fight the a large
extent. So where does that leave us because I understand we've got Donald
Trump, we've got Hillary Clinton, but I mean do you actually see a
difference in the country's safety depending on what happens here on
November 8th.
Hoekstra: Oh absolutely. I mean, you know, domestically we have
disarmed. We should rearm. Internationally, you know, take a look at our
intelligence capability in places like Libya and in Egypt. Six years ago
these two countries were a rich source of intelligence. Throughout northern
Africa and into the Middle East – Egypt and Libya had fantastic
intelligence organizations. When America partnered with radical jihadists,
the Muslim Brotherhood, to overthrow Mubarak and to overthrow Gaddafi, we
lost those two entire intelligence networks. We are now basically blind in
northern Africa. We see less into the Middle East and other people who in
the past have partnered with us on intelligence capabilities are much more
hesitant to partner with us. So we have disarmed domestically, and we have
gone blind internationally in some key, key locations.
Kelley: Former Congressman Pete Hoekstra, good to see you. Thank
you, sir.
Hoekstra: Good, thank you.
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