Thursday, July 23, 2009

Obama says terrorists have constitutional rights

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As we noted in our 2008 Voter Guide, then-candidate Barack Obama had taken the
position that terrorist “enemy combatants” should in fact be treated more
like “alleged criminals.” This position is now being followed by actions
such as the FBI reading a list of rights to enemy combatants captured in
Afghanistan and Obama’s Assistant Attorney General testifying to a U.S.
Senate committee that captured terrorists have many of the same
constitutional rights as those afforded to American citizens.

As Senator Joseph Lieberman noted in the story below, the Obama
administration position means captured terrorists will have more rights
than uniformed prisoners of war had in any prior conflict we’ve been
involved in. Thus, an Islamic terrorist, who fights under no country’s
flag, does not wear a uniform, and targets civilians, will have more
rights than a uniformed German soldier arrested on the battlefield in
World War II.

Ideas do have consequences. And the consequences of
affording such constitutional rights to terrorist enemy combatants are not
only dangerous, not only unprecedented — they are absurd.







Obama's Assistant
Attorney General Tells Senate: Terrorists Captured on Battlefield Have
Constitutional Rights

Wednesday, July 08,
2009

By Penny Starr, Senior Staff
Writer



Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)
(CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)

(CNSNews.com) – At a Senate hearing Tuesday on the use of
military commissions to prosecute terrorists being held at Guantanamo Bay,
some members of the Armed Services Committee took offense at the Obama
administration’s view that the detainees should have the same legal
protections under the Constitution as U.S. citizens.

Ranking
member Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) questioned Assistant Attorney General
David Kris about his remarks on the appropriateness of administering the
Miranda warning to terrorist suspects captured abroad. "It is the
administration's view that there is a serious risk that courts would hold
that admission of involuntary statements of the accused in military
commission proceedings is unconstitutional," Kris said in his opening
statement.

“Does that infer that these individuals have
constitutional rights?” McCain asked Kris.

“Ah, yes,” Kris answered.

“What are those constitutional rights of people who are
not citizens of the United States of America, who were captured on a
battlefield committing acts of war against the United States?” McCain
asked.

“Our analysis, Senator, is that the due process clause
applies to military commissions and imposes a constitutional floor on the
procedures that the government sets on such commissions …” Kris said.


“So you are saying that these people who are at Guantanamo, who
were part of 9/11, who committed acts of war against the United States,
have constitutional rights under the Constitution of the United States of
America?” McCain asked.

“Within the framework I just described,
the answer is yes, the due process clause guarantees and imposes some
requirements on the conduct of (military) commissions,” Kris said.


“The fact is they are entitled to protections under the Geneva
Convention, which apply to the rules of war,” McCain said. “I do not know
of a time in American history where enemy combatants were given rights
under the United States Constitution.”



Jeh C. Johnson, general counsel,
Department of Defense (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)

Kris and Jeh C. Johnson, general counsel for the Department of Defense, said
that military commissions were a viable “alternative” but that prosecuting
terror suspects as criminals in U.S. federal courts was preferable – a
position Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) took issue with at the hearing.


“Why would anyone prefer to try people apprehended for violations
of the law of war?” Lieberman asked. “The fact is that from the beginning
of our country, from the Revolutionary War, we’ve used military tribunals
to try war criminals, or people we have apprehended, captured for
violations of the law of war.

“Again, I think the unique
circumstances of this war on terrorists, against the people who attacked
us on 9/11, have taken us down, including the Supreme Court, some roads
that are not only to me ultimately unjust but inconsistent with the long
history of military commissions,” Lieberman said.

“Why would you
say the administration prefers to bring before our federal court system
instead of military commissions that are really today’s version of the
tribunals that we’ve used throughout our history to deal in a just way
with prisoners of war?” Lieberman asked.

“I applaud this
committee’s initiative to reform the military commission act. I think the
military commission should be a viable ready alternative for national
security reasons to deal with those who violate the laws of war, and I’m
glad we’re having this discussion right now, and I thank the committee,”
Johnson said.

“When you’re dealing with terrorists whose, and I’m
going to say this on behalf of the administration, one of their
fundamental aims is to kill innocent civilians, and so it is the
administration’s view that direct violence on innocent civilians, let’s
say in the continental United States, it might be appropriate that that
person be brought to justice in a civilian public forum in the continental
United States,” Johnson said.

“Because the act of violence that
was committed here was a violation of Title 18 (federal criminal law), as
well as the law of war, so we feel strongly that both alternatives should
exist,” Johnson added.



Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)
(CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)

“Well, I respectfully
disagree,” Lieberman said. “These are people we believe are war criminals;
that’s why we captured them. The greater legal protections of the
terrorists because they have chosen to do something that pretty much has
not been done before in our history to attack Americans, to kill people
here in America, as they did on 9/11, civilians, innocents, it doesn’t
matter, and to do it outside of uniform.

“So it puts us in a very
odd position, giving these terrorists greater protections in our federal
courts than we’ve given war criminals in any other time throughout our
history, even though, in my opinion, they are at least as brutal and
inhumane, probably more brutal and inhumane than any war criminals,”
Lieberman said.

“Yes, it might also be an act of murder that
killed people who were in the Trade Towers on 9/11, but it was an act of
war,” Lieberman said. “And the people who did that do not deserve the same
constitutional protections of those accused of murder in New York City.”


The hearing focused on the military commissions portion of the
National Defense Authorization Bill for Fiscal Year 2010, which includes
changes to the Military Commission Act of 2006.

Committee Chairman
Carl Levin (D-Mich.) summarized the changes in his opening statement.








  • Relative to the admissibility of coerced testimony, the
    provision in our bill would eliminate the double standard in
    existing law, under which coerced statements are admissible if
    they were obtained prior to Dec. 30, 2005.


  • Relative to the use of hearsay evidence, the provision in our
    bill would eliminate the extraordinary language in the existing
    law which places the burden on detainees to prove that hearsay
    evidence introduced against them is not reliable and
    probative.


  • Relative to the issue of access to classified evidence and
    exculpatory evidence, the provision in our bill would eliminate
    the unique procedures and requirements which have hampered the
    ability of defense teams to obtain information and led to so much
    litigation.
We would substitute
more established procedures based on the Uniform Code of Military Justice
(UCMJ), with modest changes to ensure that the government cannot be
required to disclose classified information to unauthorized persons.


“Of great importance, the provision in our bill would reverse the
existing presumption in the Military Commissions Act of 2006 that rules
and procedures applicable to trials by courts martial would not apply,”
Levin said.

“Our new language says, by contrast, that ‘Except as
otherwise provided ... the procedures and rules of evidence applicable in
trials by general courts-martial of the United States shall apply in
trials by military commission under this chapter.’ The exceptions to this
rule are, as suggested by the Supreme Court, carefully tailored to the
unique circumstances of the conduct of military and intelligence
operations during hostilities.”

Despite the ongoing debate, on
June 25 the committee voted unanimously to send the bill to the full
Senate for consideration. Staff at the Armed Services Committee press
office could not say when the Senate will take up the bill.









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