no fun watching the devolution of the advanced west and the human race. Our species won't evolve if the religion of peace (nott!!) wins this civilizational battle.
Can you imagine this entire planet living like it is in iran, afghanistan, saudi barbaria and all the other islamic hell holes?
SCOTTY!!!! BEAM ME THE FRACK ABOARD!!!
With friends like these ......
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With friends like Melanie Phillips, who needs enemies? Articulate and useless.
Melanie Phillips writes in her latest column, entitled The British government's jihad against free thought, "I do not support the approach taken by either Geller or Spencer to the problem of Islamic extremism. Both have endorsed groups such as the EDL and others which at best do not deal with the thuggish elements in their ranks and at worst are truly racist or xenophobic."
What "other groups" is she talking about? Who would Phillips have fight this war? What does she suggest? And what is the elitist contempt for the EDL? I was there when they were formed as a result of vicious epithets and abuse being hurled at returning soldiers by devout Muslims. The rise of the EDL was a natural response, an organic repulsion to a hatred, to a violent movement bent on the destruction of our way of life.
I have monitored the group for the past four years. Are they perfect? Of course not, and I have expressed concerns in the past (here and here), and they do their best to purge their ranks of problems, but their heart is in the right place. I understand there is a class system still in Britain and these blokes are a bit rough round the edges and less than cultured, but so what? Who does Phillips think is going to fight this war? Dandies?
Phillips goes on to posit that the result of our sanction of the EDL "has been a serious blow to the credibility of these two writers, with particular damage being done to Spencer whose scholarship in itself is scrupulous. It has also split the defence against Islamic extremism, and handed a potent propaganda weapon to those who seek falsely to portray as bigoted extremists all who are engaged in the defence of the west against the Islamic jihad."
I don't know what planet Phillips is on, but they have been calling any and all of us bigoted extremists long before the EDL came into being. That was always the strategy of the smear machine. CAIR et al haven't changed their tactics; the only difference now is that through money, media and men they have recruited many to their ....... jihad.
As for "splitting the defense against Islamic extremism" -- she harkens back to an era that exists only in her mind. Phillips has fashioned a fictional contruct unrelated to reality. Where did the polite talk get the hundreds of non-Muslim tween girls gang-raped and sex trafficked by scores of Muslim gangs in the past decade? Law enforcement ignored their pleas for years before the EDL existed, because they didn't want to offend the "Asian" community.
This kind of circular firing squad is the fatal weakness of the right. They accept and adopt the smears that our adversaries manufacture to destroy the most effective activists.
As for the an, sign this petition.
Melanie Phillips writes in her latest column, entitled The British government's jihad against free thought, "I do not support the approach taken by either Geller or Spencer to the problem of Islamic extremism. Both have endorsed groups such as the EDL and others which at best do not deal with the thuggish elements in their ranks and at worst are truly racist or xenophobic."
What "other groups" is she talking about? Who would Phillips have fight this war? What does she suggest? And what is the elitist contempt for the EDL? I was there when they were formed as a result of vicious epithets and abuse being hurled at returning soldiers by devout Muslims. The rise of the EDL was a natural response, an organic repulsion to a hatred, to a violent movement bent on the destruction of our way of life.
I have monitored the group for the past four years. Are they perfect? Of course not, and I have expressed concerns in the past (here and here), and they do their best to purge their ranks of problems, but their heart is in the right place. I understand there is a class system still in Britain and these blokes are a bit rough round the edges and less than cultured, but so what? Who does Phillips think is going to fight this war? Dandies?
What's her answer, then? Seriously. The EDL is thuggish? I see.
That reeks of elitism. These boys are a bit dirty and they don't do high
tea at 4. But I know they have no racist agenda, and far from being
neo-Nazis, they're one of the most (if not the most) pro-Israel groups
in Britain. They've reached out to Jews, Sikhs, women, gays and others.
They oppose violence and do not provoke it; they just fight back when
attacked. Phillips ought to back up her taint with fact. I can't see
past her argument. Why not them?
Phillips goes on to posit that the result of our sanction of the EDL "has been a serious blow to the credibility of these two writers, with particular damage being done to Spencer whose scholarship in itself is scrupulous. It has also split the defence against Islamic extremism, and handed a potent propaganda weapon to those who seek falsely to portray as bigoted extremists all who are engaged in the defence of the west against the Islamic jihad."
I don't know what planet Phillips is on, but they have been calling any and all of us bigoted extremists long before the EDL came into being. That was always the strategy of the smear machine. CAIR et al haven't changed their tactics; the only difference now is that through money, media and men they have recruited many to their ....... jihad.
As for "splitting the defense against Islamic extremism" -- she harkens back to an era that exists only in her mind. Phillips has fashioned a fictional contruct unrelated to reality. Where did the polite talk get the hundreds of non-Muslim tween girls gang-raped and sex trafficked by scores of Muslim gangs in the past decade? Law enforcement ignored their pleas for years before the EDL existed, because they didn't want to offend the "Asian" community.
This kind of circular firing squad is the fatal weakness of the right. They accept and adopt the smears that our adversaries manufacture to destroy the most effective activists.
As for the an, sign this petition.
The British government's jihad against free thought Melanie Phillips
By banning from the country as extremists the American anti-jihadis Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, the Home Secretary Teresa May has not only made herself look ridiculous but has sent the enemies of the United Kingdom the message that they have it on the run.
I do not support the approach taken by either Geller or Spencer to the problem of Islamic extremism. Both have endorsed groups such as the EDL and others which at best do not deal with the thuggish elements in their ranks and at worst are truly racist or xenophobic.
The result has been a serious blow to the credibility of these two writers, with particular damage being done to Spencer whose scholarship in itself is scrupulous. It has also split the defence against Islamic extremism, and handed a potent propaganda weapon to those who seek falsely to portray as bigoted extremists all who are engaged in the defence of the west against the Islamic jihad.
Nevertheless, the decision to ban this duo from Britain is unjustified, oppressive and comes perilously close to lining up the British government alongside those who wish to silence defenders of the west against the jihad, making a total mockery of Britain’s understanding of just who presents a danger to the state.
Neither Geller nor Spencer remotely presents such a danger. They intended to come to Britain to join an EDL rally in Woolwich, in the wake of the barbaric murder there of Drummer Lee Rigby by two Islamists last month.
Personally, I believe the EDL is not a respectable platform to join. Whether or not its rally is itself a threat to public order is, however, another issue. As far as is known, it is not being banned. It is only Geller and Spencer who have been banned from the country on the grounds that their presence is ‘not conducive to the public good’. The implication is that they will incite violence or disorder. But all the two of them do is criticise Islam, condemn jihadis and warn against the west’s failure to take seriously their machinations.
One may think they go too far, that some of their views are unpleasant or offensive or wrong; but that is surely no reason to ban them from the country. What on earth have we come to, after all, when the British Home Secretary is banning people on the basis that they criticise Islam and warn against jihadi violence? Is this not exactly the menacing argument mounted by Islamic extremists, that any condemnation of Islamic extremism is to be banned as ‘Islamophobic’?
Moreover, from the text of the Home Secretary’s letter to Spencer, it would appear that the reason for the the ban is that the British government is now telling people that certain interpretations of Islam are to be proscribed, even if they may be true – a truly terrifying and totalitarian development, and an open assault upon freedom of thought and expression, not to mention religious scholarship.
And if the argument is that any criticism of Islam may incite violence against Muslims, then by the same token Mrs May should ban all criticism of Israel -- on the much firmer grounds that there is a clearly demonstrated correlation between hate campaigns against Israel and attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions. Of course, that would be unthinkable. So why the double standard?
And that is what is particularly intolerable here -- that Mrs May is allowing people to run around Britain who really are stirring up hatred and worse, but who appear to be untouchable because they are Islamists. The Commentator has drawn attention to the recent entry to Britain of Muhammad Al-Arifi, a Saudi scholar who has declared that Shia Muslims are ‘evil’ and also stated that ‘...al-Qaeda leader Sheikh Oussama Bin Laden, may his soul rest in peace, did not adopt many of the thoughts that are attributed to him today’.
The government also allowed into the country Shady Al-Suleiman, the Australian cleric who has called ‘for Allah to destroy the enemies of Islam’, who has endorsed Hamas which Britain recognises as a terrorist entity, and even endorsed the killing of British soldiers, saying, ‘Give victory to all the Mujahideen all over the world. Oh Allah, prepare us for the jihad’.
Aren’t these men, who foment sectarian division and endorse terrorism, not ‘conducive to the public good’?
So why did Mrs May ban Spencer and Geller? Was it because of the petition to do so by Hope not Hate -- which misrepresented and smeared them by claiming they called all Muslims savages (they did not)? Was it in response to one of the signatories to this petition, Tony Lloyd, Greater Manchester’s Police and Crime Commissioner (who Spencer and Geller say also misrepresented what they have said) who termed them
‘hate preachers – every bit as bad as those who use the name of Islam to propagate hatred’?
What an extraordinary thing to say. Geller and Spencer don’t go round calling for people to be killed, or preaching genocide or holy war, or spreading conspiracy theories and lies to foment hysteria and hatred. But when he was chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party, Tony Lloyd led a delegation to Gaza to meet leaders of Hamas, where he was photographed fraternally shaking the hand of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
So Lloyd is happy to meet with a group whose leader has called Israel a ‘cancerous tumour that must be removed’ and whose officials have said
‘the Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah…Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world’
and
‘...the Jewish faith does not wish for peace nor stability, since it is a faith that is based on murder: “I kill, therefore I am”... Israel is based only on blood and murder in order to exist, and it will disappear, with Allah's will, through blood and shahids [martyrs]’
– and yet he called for Spencer and Geller to be banned as ‘hate preachers’, a demand which the Home Secretary agrees was justified even as she allows real hate preachers to spread their poison around Britain.
Has Britain now totally lost the plot?
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