Patrick
Dunleavy on Tucker Carlson: Police Practice was Sacrificed for Political
Correctness
by Patrick Dunleavy
Interview on Fox News
November 1, 2017
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Transcript:
TUCKER CARLSON: Until yesterday afternoon probably against all odds, New
York City had enjoyed 16 years without anyone being killed by Islamist
violence. Could this latest bloodshed have been prevented with different
law enforcement practices? You hate to ask that question, but it arises in
this case because in 2005 the NYPD created a report, radicalization in the
West is a homegrown threat it was called, and it laid out how U.S. Muslims
could become radicalized.
But that guide was subsequently denounced as Islamaphobic. The De Blasio
administration purged it in 2016 in response to a lawsuit by, you will be
surprise, the ACLU.
Patrick Dunleavy is a former deputy inspector general of New York, he is
the author of "The Fertile Soil of Jihad," and he joins us
tonight. Patrick, thanks for coming on.
PATRICK DUNLEAVY, FORMER DEPUTY INSPECTOR GENERAL OF NEW YORK: Oh, my
pleasure, thanks for having me, Tucker.
CARLSON: So, I mean, New York is famous for having a very serious kind
of world class literally, Police Department, and they took this threat
seriously after the two World Trade Center bombings, obviously. They
produced this report. What does it mean that the de Blasio administration
jettisoned it?
DUNLEAVY: Well, what they basically did is they caved into political
correctness. Nobody was looking at the fact that what the NYPD was doing
was normal police practices when it came to investigating crime. And if
we're going to say that terrorism is a crime, which obviously we've just
charge this individual in federal court and we've given him Miranda rights,
then there are certain police practices that are normal.
CARLSON: Yes.
DUNLEAVY: Surveillance, undercover operatives, knowing the neighborhood
to which you are going to go. For instance, if you're going to look for
clean shirt for your show tomorrow, you will probably go to your closet or
to your dresser. You will not go to the refrigerator. In the same way, if
I'm looking for an organized crime figure from a mafia, I'm probably going
to go to an Italian neighborhood.
So now if we are looking for radical Islamic terrorists, we should
probably be going to predominantly Muslim neighborhoods. That would just
become a police practice.
CARLSON: So, of course it would. So what about that changed under de
Blasio?
DUNLEAVY: Well, there were complaints made by not just the ACLU, but
certain Muslim activist groups, like the Council on American Islamic
Relations --
CARLSON: Right.
DUNLEAVY: -- and other groups that said that we were profiling, that it
was unfair, that we ought not to do it. This has never been happening
before. And instead of actually showing that it was a normal police
practice to do these things, they just caved in. It was like throwing up
the white flag and saying, oh, no, we don't want it, we want to be
perfectly polite, we don't want to offend anybody. Meanwhile, the cost was
the public safety.
CARLSON: Really quickly, Patrick, was there any evidence that the police
in New York were violating peoples civil rights, hassling people, hurting
people under the current policing regime?
DUNLEAVY: No, in fact that particular lawsuit that was filed was ruled
on by -- Judge Martini was the individual who ruled on the case, and said
there were no damages. One of the things that they sued with damages. There
were no damages done by the New York City Police Department when they
surveilled these particular neighborhoods.
CARLSON: Yes.
DUNLEAVY: And then when the case was reinstated on appeal, instead of
fighting the case, and it was probably a 99.9 percent chance that they were
going to -- the NYPD would win the case on appeal, because a new regime had
come in. Bloomberg had no longer been mayor, de Blasio came in, and he
caved. And when you look at the fact that the new procedure calls for a
civilian to be appointed to oversee any request to go into particular
neighborhoods or particular religious organizations, that person is
appointed by the mayor. Now, the mayor of New York City has praised
domestic terrorists.
CARLSON: Right. I mean, that's exactly right.
DUNLEAVY: So when we say we're going to do that, instead of letting the
police be the police, we caved in.
CARLSON: Of course we have. Patrick, thank you, that was really
interesting and important.
DUNLEAVY: Oh, my pleasure.
CARLSON: Thank you.
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